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Queens Fish Bar 10:31 Wed Mar 15
Nasty Party
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Is this what So many people who voted Tory wanted to happen?
Government welfare experts slam ministers for denying PIP disability benefits to 160,000 vulnerable people
Anger as Damian Green, the Work and Pensions Secretary, refuses to allow MPs to vote on the changes – insisting that is “above my pay grade”
Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green EPA
The Government’s own welfare experts have attacked a controversial decision to deny disability benefits to 160,000 vulnerable people – and urged ministers to shelve it.
The changes to Personal Independence Payments (PIPs) – affecting the mentally ill - should be delayed until they have been properly tested and “clearly understood”, ministers are told.
The experts also warn it is “not clear” how assessors will interpret the changes – raising the danger that claimants will not be “consistently treated”.
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Disabilities minister ‘blocks benefit payments to 160,000 people'
And they dispute ministers’ claims that emergency legislation must be rushed through tomorrow, suggesting a feared leap in costs has been over-hyped.
The damning conclusions sparked angry exchanges in the Commons, with some Tory MPs joining Labour and the Liberal Democrats in criticising the impact of PIPs on the vulnerable.
But Damian Green, the Work and Pensions Secretary, refused to allow MPs to vote on the changes – insisting that was “above my pay grade”.
Mr Green also acknowledged “a handful of people” could now have their PIP payments cut, having been awarded higher sums in the last few months.
Debbie Abrahams, Labour’s Work and Pensions spokeswoman, said that contradicted repeated assurances – including by Theresa May – that no disabled people would lose money, with only new claimants affected.
And she said: “The Government’s decision to change the law on PIP is a clear example of the way people with mental health conditions are not given equal treatment.”
The row follows the Government’s decision to tighten the criteria for PIPs, after a tribunal ruled they should also cover conditions including epilepsy, diabetes and dementia.
The ruling would cost at least £3.7bn over the next five years, money which should go to “really disabled people who need it”, one minister said – before later apologising.
The tribunal also said that claimants who needed support to take medication should be assessed in the same way as those managing therapies such as dialysis at home.
When the controversy first blew up last month, some Conservative MPs threatened a revolt, urging ministers to stand by the tribunal’s ruling.
But the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) used what is called a “negative resolution” to push through the change, denying the Commons a vote.
As a result, it comes into force tomorrow – despite the heads of 32 charities warning it will leave many disabled people without vital financial support.
In its report, the Social Security Advisory Committee (SSAC) said it was “particularly concerned” that overturning the tribunal’s ruling will cause confusion.
“It is not clear how tribunals, decision makers, or health care professionals conducting assessments will respond to changes in descriptors to exclude ‘psychological distress’,” it warned.
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The SSAC urged the DWP to consider “testing the proposed changes with health care professionals and decision makers to ensure the policy intent behind the regulation is clearly understood”.
And it concluded: “The department should both (a) consult more widely with representative bodies and health care professionals; and (b) improve the estimate of likely impact before the changes are introduced.”
Answering an urgent question, Mr Green insisted the SSAC was “not challenging the decision” to tighten the criteria for PIP.
But he added: “We think there may be a handful of people whose appeals have gone through the courts in this very, very small period.”
While “that money will not be clawed back from them” they would receive lower PIP payments once those appeals were struck out by the new regulations.
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Hammer and Pickle
10:08 Wed Mar 22
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Gonna say anything about what posters would have loved if they were still around today Infidel?
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Infidel
10:04 Wed Mar 22
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1. Commit act of embarrassing self-destruction on WHO. Check.
2. Disappear for 24 hours to dodge the ritual humiliation. Check.
3. Pop back up and pretend nothing's happened. Check.
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chim chim cha boo
7:38 Tue Mar 21
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Well I've spent all day getting a load of egg off my face.
Have I missed much?
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Darby_
1:55 Tue Mar 21
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Do you have trouble reading, Eggy?
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Eggbert Nobacon
1:43 Tue Mar 21
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Reply Darby_ 1:14 Tue Mar 21
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I'm not exactly a fan of former terrorists, but that's pretty much a typical Daily Mail beat-up. Why don't they have a story about the tributes from Ian Paisleys's family for McGuiness?
https://www.donegalnow.com/news/death-martin-mcguinness-tributes-ian-paisleys-family-former-deputy-first-minister-2/151869
I WONDER.
Unless he's pulled a jesus, Paisley is dead
Corbyn is the living (well from the neck down anyway) current leader of the opposition
hardly a surprise which one gets a story really is it?
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kips
1:21 Tue Mar 21
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Very nice to hear George Galloway contesting the upcoming Manchester Gorton By Election.
George Galloway was a Labour MP in Glasgow seats from 1987 until his 2003 expulsion, later serving as Respect MP for Glasgow Kelvin until 2005, for Bethnal Green and Bow from 2005-10 and Bradford West from 2012-15.
Always interesting and lively.
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Darby_
1:14 Tue Mar 21
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I'm not exactly a fan of former terrorists, but that's pretty much a typical Daily Mail beat-up. Why don't they have a story about the tributes from Ian Paisleys's family for McGuiness?
https://www.donegalnow.com/news/death-martin-mcguinness-tributes-ian-paisleys-family-former-deputy-first-minister-2/151869
I WONDER.
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Eggbert Nobacon
12:35 Tue Mar 21
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meanswhile the alternative party are fawning over a child murdering terrorist (no not Blair a different one)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4334446/Corbyn-pays-warm-tribute-IRA-killer-Martin-McGuinness.html
'Tell that to the people of Enniskillen': Fury as Corbyn pays warm tribute to IRA killer Martin McGuinness as a 'great family man'
-Labour leader was friends with former Northern Ireland deputy first minister
-Told Twitter followers that he's thinking about McGuinness's relatives today
-But comments upset many people, with one describing them as 'unbelievable'
-Mr Corbyn posed for a photograph with McGuinness in Westminster in 2015
Jeremy Corbyn provoked fury today after paying a glowing tribute to former IRA commander Martin McGuinness as a 'great family man'.
The Labour leader, who was friends with the former Northern Ireland deputy first minister, said he was thinking about McGuinness's relatives this morning.
He tweeted: 'Martin McGuinness played a huge role in bringing about peace in Northern Ireland. He was a great family man and my thoughts are with them.'
But his comments upset many people, with one tweeting: 'Tell that to the people of Enniskillen and Warrington and countless others who lost their families. Murderer.'
Another added: 'This is the very reason you'll never be prime minister. The man was a monster who died with blood on his hands.'
And a third said on Twitter: 'This guy is the leader of the opposition? Unbelievable! Martin McGuinness, who ordered bombing of innocent people.'
Two years ago in July 2015, Mr Corbyn posed for a picture over coffee with McGuinness and Sinn Fein boss Gerry Adams at Portcullis House in Westminster.
When Mr Corbyn secured the Labour leadership in September 2015, McGuinness told how he was a 'long standing friend' and wished him luck in his new role.
Mr Corbyn has been criticised for his controversial choice of political friends, having previously invited politicians from Hamas and Hezbollah into the Commons.
Just weeks after the IRA bombed the Tory conference in Brighton in 1984, Mr Corbyn invited Mr Adams and other members of Sinn Fein to the Commons.
The Islington North MP was accused of 'traitorous' behaviour for helping Mr Adams plug his autobiography inside the Houses of Parliament in 1996.
McGuinness died aged 66 overnight in Londonderry after a short illness. The Sinn Fein veteran was diagnosed with a rare heart condition late last year.
His remarkable journey from gunman to statesman saw him shake hands with the Queen and forge an unlikely friendship with erstwhile foe Ian Paisley.
But the IRA bomb in Enniskillen during a Remembrance Sunday ceremony in 1987 was one of the most notorious atrocities in Northern Ireland's troubled history.
It exploded near the town's war memorial during a service to commemorate British military war dead. Eleven people were killed and 63 were injured.
The IRA Warrington bombings in March 1993 killed two children when bombs planted in litter bins were detonated. The attack also left 56 people injured.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:28 Tue Mar 21
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I guess by some measure I am.
Whatever.
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Nurse Ratched
12:21 Tue Mar 21
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Is that it??
I'd hoped at the very least Infidel had said "I've stabbed the fucking bitch to death".
You're a moron, Pickle.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:41 Tue Mar 21
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'fraid your carrying a lot more, griff boy.
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stewie griffin
11:38 Tue Mar 21
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How does it feel to have Infidel's egg splattered all over your face, Pickle son?
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Hammer and Pickle
11:35 Tue Mar 21
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English is the first language of most of the people on this forum.
So, like me, they will have picked up on the implication of the past conditional
"and by the way Nurse would have loved it too, if she were still around"
but of course we all ignored it as it came from you, much to our credit.
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Infidel
11:30 Tue Mar 21
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Pickle
As Willtell has correctly pointed out, that is clearly a reference to her having been absent from WHO for a few months.
In what parallel universe could that be interpreted as "an announcement that Ratched is dead"? Are you drunk again?
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Willtell
11:17 Tue Mar 21
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It doesn't take a genius to work out that it was a reference to her having stopped posting rather than announcing that she was dead Pickle you nutter...
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Hammer and Pickle
11:13 Tue Mar 21
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There you go - after only a brief Google
"Infidel 2:25 Tue Aug 30
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Claret
That Tyburn Convent thing is absolutely hilarious.
These batty old hags believe that there must be a permanent adoration of something called the 'Eucharist'.
So they take it in shifts to kneel for hours in front of a little wafer in a sort of metal frame, while thumbing a string of magic beads and thinking magical thoughts.
There are many ways to waste a life but this has to be right up there with the best of them!
Thanks for sharing - made my day!
(and by the way Nurse would have loved it too, if she were still around)"
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Infidel
11:06 Tue Mar 21
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Pickle
Care to show me where I "announced that Ratched was dead"?
Or like chim are you going to blame it on a 'small lapse of memory'?
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stewie griffin
10:59 Tue Mar 21
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For some reason, this
Reply Infidel 11:21 Mon Mar 20
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Has anyone ever had more egg on their face than Chim?
Has really made me chuckle.
Have these threads really descended into a debate about which WHO poster has the most egg (SEMEN) on their face?
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Hammer and Pickle
10:58 Tue Mar 21
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I'm certainly not confusing you with any man of honour and integrity, Infidel.
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Infidel
10:52 Tue Mar 21
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Pickle
You are confusing me with someone else.
I have never announced the death of Nurse, nor anything remotely resembling it.
You have a lot in common with chim. He 'remembers' events that never happened and so do you.
Sometimes on here it's like debating with teenagers on hallucinogenic drugs....
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chim chim cha boo
12:51 Tue Mar 21
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Infidel wrote...
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Has anyone ever had more egg on their face than Chim?
Has anyone written a gayer post than Infidel?
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